New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed. I focused on dark age, but villagers keep going idle after 4 sheep and dying to boars. I’ll just stick to stealing a boat with my scout. So basically defend like against any other trush. However, I feel like you should find a fix for the compatibility issue before introducing the change. This is the RoR that has the least effective BEs with no blast furnance or even husbandry. Kreygasm, [–]vvneagleone 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child). [–]TheBattler 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children). use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Want to see your AoE2 stream listed here? They're also that much better at raiding too. [–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children). Would prefer if Rattan archers get 0 frame delay instead of 5. I want to ask more experienced players, which civs do Your consider strong/best on the defense side? Should work for anyone who can't defend against a trush tho. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I just hate landing Khmer on flank. We must have different experiences; pros almost always lure at least 2 deer, usually 3, and then have time to scout afterwards. If was just a silly suggestion 11, [–]aerovistae 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (11 children), Personally I think Portuguese have the same need. [HC4 Spoilers] What a post-post-imperal game's timeline looks like when one civ gets feitoria. Conscription is a pretty important Imp tech, and it's nice to have for free, but the tech is pretty cheap and it generally feels like an underwhelming bonus that does not scream "power spike in early Imp" like the Turk's free Chemistry. Portuguese, Khmer, and Viets imo are all too weak. No one even makes skirms in TGs. Their Conscription bonus would be the most laughably "meh" and lazy bonus if it weren't for the Slav free tracking bonus. Age of Empires 2: Definitive Edition can be a daunting game for newcomers, but it only takes some light reading and a few games to get the basics squared away. But if you're mining stone then outposts are great. Their light cavalry have extra hit points and lin… [–]Venryx 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children). Also, I agree that the paper money tech should only cost food and wood. AoEII: The Complete Guide to Civilisations - Steam Community The utility of getting it early is short lived and pretty insignificant in the long run. In all others however it is pretty meh or even useless. Still not a very good eco bonus. This guide contains 11 build orders in 3 sheets. It would be weird to keep a section of their official bonus excluded. I'd give it some time before making that determination. But, for today the discussion belongs to our skirm kings, the Vietnamese! Well, that sucks, but I still think it should be implemented. We've learnt how to build up resources fairly quick etc. Hello, Reddit! They are also a very strong FFA civ with Feitorias and cheaper gold units. Wordstag - India's leading Language Service Provider offering translation, transcription, interpretation, voice over, editing/proof reading, branding, Ui-Ux & creative content. How powerful is knowing where enemy TC placement is/how good is it for scouting? [–]WololoBot 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children), I am a bot | ALL HAIL KING OF THE LOSERS! So, it kills a Goth champion in 14 hits, and dies from it in 4 -- which is bad, but much better than the normal 18<>3. I go trade and I make a real unit with a real purpose. Finally I think it is not great design to give the civ with a non-trash skirmisher (Rattan Archer) the Imperial Skirmisher. By the lategame the return is negligible. It could probably be fixed with a UP update, however the question is whether that would be a good thing - Nomad is already prone to laming, especially in casual games with no rules against that and the viet bonus could make that a lot more common/annoying. That might intice me to at least try going LSwordsmen in Castle Age. How useful are Imperial Skirmishers in the late game/trash wars? I'm asking mainly about games vs AI (im quite sure such passive strategy cannot really work on MP) I love to turtle and defend myself from hordes of enemies. imp skirms are really strong, especially in team games where they're almost OP, and rattans are really neat. I do agree with your second point though. Is the free Conscription good or important? Practically, this means a Viet Arb can take 1 more attack from Paladins and Champs (lol), anything with an attack higher than 12. [–]Majike03Drum Solo[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child). The difference between Vietnamese and Slavs is that the Slavs already have strong bonuses along with the small free tracking bonus, so that bonus is just an extra and actually works for the Slavs, but the Vietnamese don't have other good bonuses so having one of those "extras" as a bonus is very unfitting. I understand it's probably already Saturday for you guys, and I'll try to have these up-and-running earlier in the day around 8 A.M. Eastern U.S. time (noon GMT) so you actually get a chance to see it on a Friday. Regarding HP, the Viet imp skirm gets 43 hp (not 42, oddly), meaning it takes 4 hits for a FU champion to kill it, instead of 3. Will suggest this to my bro who's playing Vietnamese quite often. Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition is a real-time strategy video game developed by Forgotten Empires and published by Xbox Game Studios. Also sometimes you can't even lure deer because they're too far away. How are imp skirms OP in team games? [–]Pete26196Professional salt miner 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (6 children). Also to be researched multiple (say 3) times. ignificant tech. I think the Vietnamese could use some help and shaking up the meta with an unpopular civilization sounds fun. Me and my brother started too, so we can play him at the weekend, he’s taken to trolling my bro. I can't remember off the top of my head but I think it only amounted to like a 6% increase in HP compared to other battle elephants which is pretty negligible, especially compared to Burmese and Khmer elephants which not only get husbandry and blast furnace, but also their own unique techs and bonuses that make them absolutely terrifying. It would be like if the Aztec's +5 carry capacity didn't affect stone miners or something; you wouldn't want to keep that as a change in WololoKingdoms. And they move faster. I'm curious as to why you think Khmer are crazy in team games. They don't have any other military bonuses apart from the extra archer HP, and imp skirms in trash wars. Trash units are worthless, there are plenty if other more pop efficient units out there to counter archers. Portuguese have their niches and Khmer are crazy in TG's. Challenge friends with two additional civilizations as well as new units and technologies. The Rattan Archer is actually pretty good offensively. [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (10 children). [–]cfcforeverfan 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child), [–]whisperwalk 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children), [–]1aJokic1bLebron 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–]JineappleAOE 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (6 children). By the lategame the return is negligible. The biggest thing is that in castle age rattan archers have 1 more attack meaning they deal 2 damage to mangonels as opposed to 1. For instance, what if Slavs got Tracking, Squires, AND Arson all for free. the extra archer hp makes zero difference in feudal and only a minimal difference at best later on. The whole archer thing they're supposed to be good at...they're kinda mediocre at it..or so it seems from some gameplay I've watched on twitch. [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children). Viet Elite Battle Elephants can eat 1 more Halb or Heavy Camel attack over every other EBE. Keep trying it and maybe you can prove us all wrong. Their Conscription bonus would be the most laughably "meh" and lazy bonus if it weren't for the Slav free tracking bonus. This is Furor_Teutonicus leader of the FavsT AOE2 DE Clan our Discord is the following https://discord.gg/h3E52Bz. With +1 attack, +0/1 armor, and +1 bonus damage vs archers & cavalry archers compared to the Elite Skirmisher, how significant/powerful are the addition stats? It's mandatory in every game, though, so you can sort of imagine it as a "discount" for Imperial Age, since it costs Food and Gold. Also, I think that another bonus for the Vietnamese would be that they receive foot archer and skirmisher upgrades for free which synergizes with the HP bonus. The Mongols are a strong early game civilization due to their hunting bonus, and their team bonus makes Dark Age scouting far more effective for everyone on their team. When would you research Paper Money for the extra gold? [–]OrnLu528 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children). Gimmicky and short lived. [–]HyunAOPVikinglover9999fan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). [–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (6 children). I think the most important aspect of this unit is that it's like a superiority fighter of sorts but for archers. Their bonuses feel clunky and they play like a worse version of Mayans. ...lol how boring. The Vietnamese are an archer civilization with strong emphasis of team support, and their foot archers are excellent soldiers, getting additional HP as well as every upgrade there is. Just how much does the extra HP on the archers affect them since their HP is low to begin with? Age of Empires 2 DE Archer Rush Guide. I have been working on a strategy for the past few weeks and would like to share it with the community. I shouldn't have to micro my woodline to stop them going idle. Based on “Build Order Reference” by Cicero, and Hera’s video guides. I'd like to see the forced conscription of Vietnamese peasant armies and their idea of paper money represented in a way thats more impactful because I think those are interesting parts of their history. It's never a mistake to scout areas that you already have scouted or keep him patrolling your forward boar. I've never personally rushed to get a castle up to make Rattans as I don't think they have quite as much utility as plumes due to cost and slightly slower movement speed, but I have seen pros make very good use of this unit. Those are the exact three for which I always groan when I random them. Since they don't need to build houses they are great at rushing since the resources and time spent on houses can be diverted to building an army. Developed by Ensemble Studios and published by Microsoft in 1999 as a sequel to the legendary Age of Empires, the game received "universal acclaim" upon release and remains a staple for RTS fans to this day. It's not great, but it could be better than Market prices at that point in the game. A group of 10 archers will go around one-shotting opposing archers regardless of whether or not they have 30 HP or 33 HP. Some may argue it's lame or no good sportsmanship. [–]dong_destroyer -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child), He's probably at the level where people don't know how to make units so they make their archers duke it out 1v1, [–]elite_siege_donkey 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (9 children), [–]HunyadiArpad 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children). Steam Community :: Guide :: The Persian D-O-U-C-H-E- Dark Age … •(Team Bonus:) Gain access to the Imperial Skirmisher upgrade. [–]Venryx 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago* (0 children). Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition 'Fast Castle' strategy guide | … Agreed. As for their battle elephants, they should be given either husbandry or the Khmer elephant speed bonus for their elephants to be viable and for Chatras to be effective. I always try to wall the gold when I go forward rush. How significant is the extra 30HP (or 50HP with Bloodlines) when Battle Elephants already have base 250HP (300HP elite)? 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Ask Question Asked 10 years, 5 months ago. Yeah, I know this is completely noob, but whenever me and my partner play 2v2 we get annihilated constantly. Unless you’re one of the few people who has been upgrading through the Stone Age since Age of Empires first launched in 1997, odds are your strategies will be a little ancient. HOWEVER, Viet Castles lack Masonry and unlike Briton Archers, Rattan Archers die to Onagers just as easily as Arbalests which means using them in Imp is less good. Significantly better vs Halbs and Archers. Cavalry Archers are cheaper than normal for th… [–]RedJarl 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children), Pro's only ever lure 1 or 2 deer and it's still a risk. While it might work if the opponent has a bad map, it's not a good strategy in 8 out of 10 cases and its annoying and lame in 10 out of 10 cases. [–]TheBattler 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago* (13 children). I'd like to see it be a little cheaper, but not more money as it might be too strong in team games. [–]aerovistae 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (6 children). Nobody is going to continue producing or teching into archers if they get absolutely demolished by Rattans. •Imperial Skirmisher (UU/Team Bonus: Upgrade from the Elite Skirmisher.). [–]Majike03Drum Solo[S] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children), Just imagine if the Magyars's wolf bonus was given to the Vietnamese instead. Preferably you should lure all the deer you want before 7 or 8 minutes and then go and scout your opponent. Not sure why that is. Vietnamese HP bonus makes very little difference. Whenever I've seen them they have been underwhelming, but if you have had other experiences I'd love to hear them. High quality Aoe2 stationery featuring original designs created by artists. [–]harooooo1 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children). Any civ can lure deer though. As for their bonuses, I think Paper Money would be neat if it was tweeked. But in KotH or other games where you're fighting around fixed points they're still strong with HC/Organ guns/halbs/BBT. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. Lame his boar. The Vietnamese are IMO the worst civ in the game. This is Furor_Teutonicus leader of the FavsT AOE2 DE Clan our Discord is the following https://discord.gg/h3E52Bz.. Mayans but with no economy bonuses in exchange for getting a stable. It only seems to work if your opponment is at a much lower skill than yourself due to it being yea an unwise strategy. There are way better ones out there. I wonder why people don't actually research Tracking sometimes, it only costs 50 food. Any tips or constructive criticism to make the guide or strategy better would be appreciated, thanks. Popular games on Voobly include Age of Empires II: The Conquerors, Age of Mythology, The Rise of Rome, and many others. All orders are custom made and most ship worldwide within 24 hours. The most obvious thing about their bonuses is that there is no eco bonus. It's kind of the Longbowman vs Arbalest argument: one is easier to mass and still pretty good, one is less easy but is better stats. Trading 8 hp on scout for 340 food is a far more cost effective trade and can distrust many inept player’s build orders.